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in it. we're used to obama negotiating from a position of compromise first. this is clearly -- >> that's just not true. that's nonsense. >> this is the important part. >> no, that's nonsense. >> this is the important part. >> i've been hearing since the election, oh, the president has to be tougher this time. where was everybody the first two years of his presidency where he shoved his health care plan down republicans' throat? he made sure he got it without a single vote. is that compromise? >> i don't want to get sidetracked -- i could, i guess. with respect to this, though, it seems pretty clear to me that what we're going to end up have happening here is that republicans now will come back and say one of two things. one, rip all the stimulus out of this proposal, and that includes mortgage relief, the $50 billion that you talked about. that includes all the additional spending in there. and then we can start talking. or two, let's get that $1.6 trillion in tax hikes down closer to $800 billion in tax hikes. and either way, boehner gets to go back to his caucus and say, i scored ver
. president obama scarred by failed negotiations in his first term and emboldened by a clear and close election to a second term has emerged as a different kind of negotiator. you know the criticism regarding the democrats not to stand united as a strong fist in the past with different negotiations. are we seeing a different strategy this time around where you put it all on the table and force the republicans' hand? >> well, the difference is, tamron, we just came out a presidential election where the issues we're talking about are central to the campaign. it wasn't a secret he thought we should have a balanced approach to look at the deficit and higher income individuals need to pay more. if we don't ask, everybody else is hit harder. the president is coming off a victory, and it's very clear that on this specific issue the overwhelming majority of the american people support him. so that's a big difference. as we come to the end of this fiscal cliff, republicans have to choose. do they call for $5 trillion in tax increases over the next ten years or are they going to allow the middle
. the problem for the republicans is they have had their clocks cleaned in two years of negotiation, and obama, the difference between 1937 and the court packing plan, roosevelt was a god ringing 61 percent of the tote and president obama got 51 percent barely, an while romy was incompetent at campaigning. they show no imagination. if they did they can turn this debate over. >>neil: thank you, patrick who saw all of this covering on election night. if you missed it, i don't know what to tell you, you should be ashameed. how about adding more days off school? some districts are trying it and the taxpayers may not like the cost of it. i love to eat. i love hanging out with my friends. i have a great fit with my dentures. i love kiwis. i've always had that issue with the seeds getting under my denture. super poligrip free -- it creates a seal of the dentures in my mouth. even well-fitting dentures let in food particles. super poligrip is zinc free. with just a few dabs, it's clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. super poligrip fr
of democrats on the hill felt that in the past president obama has negotiated with himself rather than forced the republicans to come forward with their own deal, and republicans have yet to come forward with a deal. martha: that's a fair point. >> what the president's staff said yesterday, was, you know the president has already had a trillion dollars in cuts made under his terms. he wants to see from the republicans if they are willing to do something significant in terms of those revenue increases. we had the broad outlines of a possible deal, because what speaker of the house john boehner said he wants in the neighborhood of 400 billion. obama is asking for 1.6 trillion. you can see somewhere in the middle as a possible negotiating or compromise point. >> we should remind everybody the president has been talking about entitlement reform for four years. "the washington post" reminded them this might ab good time to lead because you're the president. martha: it feels like there is a real opportunity here for some history-making leadership and we'll see if we get it. thank you so much. mary
a cliff. >> the political theater over the fiscal cliff. >> mr. obama sends his chief negotiator. >> treasury secretary tim geithner. >> who was on capitol hill right now. >> reaching out to capitol hill. >> the push is on to get a deal. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks. >> literally no progress. >> bad news, bad news, bad news. >> this is the moment of posturi posturing. >> a lot of posturing. >> until we hear good news. >> the framework of the deal is beginning to emerge. >> i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. >> we have a debt crisis. >> i'll do anywhere and do whatever it takes. >> all eyes on the white house. >> they're going to get right up to cliff on new year's eve. we're all going to be hugging cliff. >> it's like when a fish show starts. the crowd -- >> i hope nobody catches that reference. >> all eyes on the white house. >> together again. >> what's his name? >> table for two. >> don't help me, don't help me. >> mr. romney goes to washington. >> mitt romney makes his way to the white house. >> the political power lunch of 2012. >> it's not
respondespo -- >> today, president obama and john boehner spoke by phone about the fiscal cliff negotiations, but there is no progress. they still have a stand off over the rates. the president still wants to raise rates on the top 2% of americans. the speaker is not moving on that position. this comes on the same day that secretary geithner made it clear in language they have not used before, just how far they're willing to go in the administration to stand by those terms. >> is the administration prepared today go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there is no agreement without those rates going up on the top 2%. and they all get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. >> reporter: so wolf, it's a step forward that they're talking, but in essence, where we stand right now, it's still a stalemate. >> any indication that the vice president, secretary of treasury, others are talking with top people on capitol hill? meeting face to face and going through these items line by line? >> reporter: my understanding is that the white house is not going to start negotiating the details unt
this kabuki dance now. obama put this proposal out there so that republicans would have a chance to negotiate with him. he started with this outrageous proposal and look at what we have been able to negotiate. $1.6 trillion in tax increases down to under a trillion dollars. something like that. but there is other thinking that the president simply is not serious -- but he that he wants to go over the cliff and force in 2013, early 2013, put forward after tax rates go up on everyone -- turn around and proposed tax propose tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less p year. and voting against tax cuts for the middle-class. it depends on where you said as to how you see these negotiations playing out right now. megyn: but the white house has maintained in private even to progressive groups, but it does not want to go out thecal cliff. if you believe that? >> it's hard to imagine that the president would want to send the economy into another recession. that would be a terrible start to his second term and it would cripple the rest of the spectrum. everything else that he would want to do. it would
's up to the republicans. >> let's talk about the negotiations themselves. president obama and the house speaker spoke for a short time yesterday. nobody knows exactly what they said. and president obama is going to talk to a family in virginia, sort of a deal to get -- why don't both sides go to camp david, lock themselves behind closed doors and come up with a deal? why a pr stunt, visiting voters when that's not going to get a deal done with republicans. >> i certainly would welcome that. i think most americans would. i think what the white house is doing -- and i think it's smart -- making sure that this conversation stays where it should be, with the middle class. the white house has been raising this point. they have this #my2k, explaining to republicans and the country, we can't afford for $2,000 more to hit our tax bill. it's important for the american people to stay engaged and the white house has to keep the american people engaged and this family will be speaking for a lot of people. it doesn't make any sense, even the polls show that the wealthy are willing to pay more taxes.
. >> let's talk about the negotiations themselves. president obama put out his plan. the republicans rejected it. the republicans put out a plan yesterday, and the president rejected it. what should we make of this? >> reporter: well, right now it shows at least publicly both sides are fully entrenched in not wanting to budge on some very specific issues. the president wanting taxes to go up on wealthy americans, those extension only for middle class americans. republicans saying no way at all, and beyond that while they might have some agreement on other issues, those remain the sticking points. i did hear from an administration official a short time ago who told me no update whatsoever when i asked whether or not there would be some counteroffer, i guess, the counteroffer from republicans. so that remains the big sticking point, and it appears that until there's some movement on that, there really won't be an agreement. >> and before you go, i understand speaker boehner and the president were at a holiday reception and, well, what happened? >> well, you know, as you know what happe
can get the negotiations on c-span, then we would see accurately what both sides are saying. what david brooks wrote is, of course, the democratic narrative and that's what obama's trying to sell. it is not actually what's happening on the ground in terms of negotiations, but there are no cameras in there and so the president's spokesman can walk out of the room as they did all the way through the negotiations on the debt ceiling and misrepresent what had happened. let's get c-span cameras and msnbc cameras in there so we can ask obama about his $800 billion in savings from not sticking around in iraq. >> but really, grover, do you think that would help the republican party? >> yes -- no. it would help the american people accurately see what's going on. it's like solomon and the two ladies and the baby, whoever doesn't want the cameras in the room is lying. >> grover, one last question for you. >> yeah. >> an ideological question, which is to say, elected representatives are supposed to represent their constituents. abc washington post poll that americans are asked do they support
made a real legacy that said i accept the debt deal that obama and i are negotiating which is essentially his opening offer now? wouldn't that have been the legacy that he could have rested his hat on? >> it would have been interesting. he essentially attempted to be a representative of his caucus rather than a leader of his caucus. >> exactly. >> it would have been interesting. i think he could have either been a great leader or burned and gone -- been taken down. it was a 50/50 proposition. >> all right. matt lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you, matt. >> fascinating. incredible read, "herding cats." >>> still ahead -- it's just cruel. i felt bat readid reading it. you know where i stand. >> cures cancer. >> let's see. >> okay. >>> coming up, we're going to bring in republican congressman tom cole who broke ranks with his party over the tax debate last week. can't wait to talk to him and get his insights. also, we'll be talking foreign policy with national security adviser dr. brzezinski. keep it right here on "morning joe." music is a universal language. but when i was
, a bloomberg government former members of both parties said negotiators should be able to reach an agreement. in an hour, president obama speaks to ceo's at the business roundtable, followed by news conferences with house speaker john boehner and minority leader nancy pelosi. >> the supreme court will look at what was passed in 2008 by a majority of six-three, i believe, and they will say that is precedent. indiana had a voter i.d. -- >> they decided on the indiana case, it was constitutional for them to establish id they did not say all of that was subsequently -- >> they talked about indiana. you misrepresented what i said. the supreme court is the law of the land. >> when i hear these accusations that black people voter i.d. loss disproportionately affect minorities -- implies to me that somehow we have something missing in our brain. as -- if white americans can get id to vote and go through all the processes to follow the laws, what are you telling black people? that somehow they are not good enough? that is what bothers me about a lot of the rhetoric coming from democrats and the left.
the best thing president abbas could do is agree to come back to the negotiating table without any preconditions, with the israelis, and i appreciate the position that the obama administration has taken in this in trying to to convince the palestinian authority not to ask for this vote at u.n. it undercuts trust and it doesn't help the palestinian cause on the ground, i don't believe, because ultimately, the palestinian people are not going to attain statehood through the united nations. they're going to attain sta statehood as a result of negotiations with the israeli government. >> senator lieberman, thank you very inch. >> thank you. good day. >> you, too. and coming up next, the verdict on the inquiry into the british hacking scandal next on "andrea mitchell reports." twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligations. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for th
discuss a little -- the latest with the fiscal cliff negotiations. republicans and joined obama to extend the bush era tax rates. first time university law professor looked at the history of the alternative minimum task -- tax. cluster e-mails, phone calls and tweets. tuesday at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. more about the tax loopholes and deductions that could be involved in negotiations over the fiscal cliff. from our special washington journal series, this is 50 mins. >> we turn our attention today to deductions and tax -- tax loopholes. joining us to talk about this is john mckennan, thank you for being here. what are loopholes and deductions? we hear those words a lot. guest: loopholes or tax breaks of all different sorts. whether you like a particular loophole or not depends on where you sit. there are lots of loopholes that are deductions. deductions are the ones most people are familiar with. the big itemize deductions are things like a home mortgage interest deduction. there is one for state and local taxes that is very important. the deduction for charitable contributions. then
hum humorous, but you do wonder about the dynamics behind the scenes. >> president obama is right in the short term. right now it's the postures pr phase of the entire negotiations, but we're probably going to see the negotiations start in ernest around middle september, close to the christmas holiday season. at that point i wouldn't be surprised if president obama, john boehner, and other key folks are actually locked up somewhere in maybe camp david, maybe at the white house. that's when the big talks will start. not now but in the next couple of weeks. >> back to the power move as it's described by speaker boehner. who are the strongest allies. we've seen paul ryan all but vanish here other than when we put the picture up on the committee and who is on it. who are the allies supporting speaker boehner that are team players? >> there was a criticism in the suspicion about a year ago that even some of john boehner's top deputies weren't always on board. that came about during the debt ceiling debate of 2011 where there was a lot of suspicion where eric cantor the house majority l
. even when he did them they weren't meant to go forever. >> obama: if congress in any way suggests that they are going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling defaults, and take us to the brink of once again, as part of budget negotiations which by the way we have never done it in our history until we did it last year, i am not going to play that game. we have to break that habit before it starts. >> in other words homey don't play that. >> stephanie: exactly. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: i'm incredibly relieved to see rationality spreading throughout the republican party. he believes they are signalling interest in backing down on tax cuts for the wealthy. that's what representative welch said earlier on the show. he said they are going to cave. it's just a question of when. the president and boner talking about the fiscal cliff. >> they are talking on the phone. >> stephanie: no he drunk dialed him again. at all hours. >> as long as i'm there, it is open. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: president obama and the boner spoke by p
. it's a negotiating tactic that president obama always keeps in his tool kit, head to a backyard or living room, sit down with families who say his approach offers economic relief and send a loud message to congress with a personal touch. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> reporter: this time the scene played out in falls church, virginia, at the home of high school teacher tiffany santana and her husband richard who works at a local toyota dealership. also at the table, tiffany's parents who live with them. >> it ain't every day that your president comes into your home. >> reporter: this family's political tattoo is still staked in the front yard. >> i'm concerned. >> reporter: cnn sat down with the santanas after the presidential motorcade road away down james street just nine miles from the white house. because their parents are also middle income wage earners, the entire household would see a $4,000 tax increase if an agreemen
in negotiations, even if they are slightly not in the heart of it, which is boehner and obama. host: robert, good morning. line for democrats. caller: our economy is very fragile. a lot of the things the people in this country, the millionaires and billionaires have forgotten is the fact that if it were not for the tax payers, the infrastructure we put in place, to do business here, like good roads and power grids and bridges -- the list goes on. we the taxpayers are the ones who put this in place for them to make their millions and billions. i do not think it is wrong for everybody, including working class people, to pay their fair share. i think it is the right things that we have to do to dig in and bail this country out. guest: that is a good point. you just made the connection between the taxes we pay and what we get in return. one thing but a lot of people talk about is that in this country, sometimes people -- it is hard to make that connection. a lot of money we pay goes to the military, which maybe you're not involved in, or to seniors. maybe we're not there yet. we're paying a lot of mo
" house republican leaders recognize president obama holds the high cards and the public is likely to blame republicans if negotiations blow up and the new year begins with a fiscal disaster. the facts didn't stop speaker boehner from claiming the white house is holding up negotiations. >> majority leader and i just had a meeting with the treasury secretary. it was frank, and it was direct. i was hopeful we'd see a specific plan for cutting spending. >> the treasury secretary's proposal seems pretty specific. it even includes $400 billion in specific cuts. but john boehner sees something different. >> we know what the menu is. what we don't know is what the white house is willing to do to get serious about solving our debt crisis. >> so what is this all about? i mean, i guess john boehner has his own definition of specifics. according to the john boehner dictionary, specifics means, having all the attributes john boehner agrees with and nothing he doesn't like. keep in mind, this is the same boehner who said $38 billion in cuts was the largest real dollar spending cut in american h
inserted himself into the peace agreement between israel and hamas. >> he negotiated a cease-fire between israel and hamas, the words were not out of president obama's mouth praising him for this, offering to help him with half a billion dollars of aid, convincing the imf to give him almost $5 billion of aid and what did morsi do? e seized all the controls of power. already got the parliament and the presidency, put his guys in the military and taking over. connell: in the old days they used to say hosni mubarak was not the best guy in the world but the u.s. can work with him. what about now? >> that is an important difference to make because he was a dictator, hosni mubarak was that he was our guy, pro-american and kept peace with israel. the new guy is a dictator too but not necessarily our guy. not necessarily pro-american. he is part of the muslim brotherhood which is a movement going through the entire middle east now, hijacking the arabs spring and they are anti-american, anti israeli and islamist. dagen: why not pull our funding from the country? >> what we should do is say to them
of negotiations not been accepted. wolf, the backdrop is the u.s. tried hard to lobby to stop this from happening. it still went down. some diplomats see it as an embarrassment to president obama. last year a threat of a u.s. veto stopped the palestinians from getting what they really wanted, which was full membership. this is u.n. different terminology. they're getting closer to a state, some say symbolic and others say opens to the u.n. international criminal court where the palestinians could go after israeli soldiers or vice ver versa. >> once they have a final vote, richard, let us know. gaining status at the u.n. as a nonmember observer state gives the palestinians access to other important global organizations including as richard mentioned the international criminal court here in washington at the same time a bipartisan group of u.s. senators warned they might cut off u.s. aid to the palestinians if they were ever to use that access to make trouble for israel. listen to this. >> it won't be very long until the palestinians begin to use the u.n. as a club against israel rather than seeking
, they are flying even if the actual negotiations are at a stand still. president obama says republicans, they're the ones that need to take the next step here. republicans say no way, ball's in your court, mr. president. >> we can probably solve this in about a week. it is not that tough. >> now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. now, the revenues we're put on the table are going to come from, guess who, the rich. >> if we can get the leadership on the republican side to take that framework, take knowledge of that reality, then the numbers actually aren't that far apart. >> where are the specifics, where are the discussions? nothing is going on. >> passing middle income tax cut means the end of holding them hostage from tax cuts for the middle -- for the rich. >> i think the next 72 hours are critical. if he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give your answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this s this is an opportunity for the president to lead. >> debt ceiling, let's go to the white
of constructing a death star. which means it still needs about 23,000 signatures before the obama administration is actually expected to issue a response. we want a response. but i'm guessing with the way the fiscal cliff negotiations are going the estimated $852 quadrillion dollars of funding needed for one alone just isn't in the cards. dog gone it. i'm going to sign up tonight. >>> can both parties reach an agreement ones fiscal cliff? 40% of you say yes, 60% say no. >>> coming up, this could be one of the dumbest votes the republicans have ever cast in the history of the senate. we'll talk about the big win and the emotional reaction from moderates. that's next. what's next? he's going to apply testosterone to his underarm. axiron, the only underarm treatment for low t, can restore testosterone levels back to normal in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18. axiron can transfer to others through direct contact. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant, and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied as unexpected signs of puberty in chi
there at the white house. martha. martha: a little more background on this now. budget negotiations with congressional leaders started a few weeks ago really with president obama calling for that $1.6 trillion in additional tax revenue over 10 years that you just heard about from john boehner. treasury secretary tim geithner argues that you can not raise enough revenue to reduce the deficit by only doing the loopholes and the tax breaks. and that is the major priority for republicans in this but some senior republican aides said they believe along with spending cuts, compromise would generate about a trillion dollars in new tax revenue, possibly from in parting those tax deductions. bill: where do we go, huh, martha? martha: good question. bill: congressman that broke ranks on one item is with us in 25 minutes. today he has a strong message directed at the white house and president obama. congressman tom colatosti out of oklahoma a bit later here on "america's newsroom.". that is 22 minutes away. martha: we brought you this breaking news on friday and now there's new fallout from th
obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone yesterday for the first time in days. both men agreed not to publicly characterize how the conversation went. but the stalemate in negotiations entered new territory yesterday with treasury secretary tim geithner suggesting the white house is ready to go off the cliff if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the 2%. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- remember, it's only 2%. the size of the problem in some sense is so large, it can't be solved without rates going up as part of that. again, i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> one fallback option republicans are reportedly considering is to accept tax cuts for the middle class, allow rates to go up for the wealthiest, and then start the fight over again during debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business roundtable of ceos, president obama took a
the fiscal cliff, almost every major negotiation and battle as come down to president obama and house speaker john boehner. do you think it helps or hurts that key lawmakers like yourself seem to be left out of this deal making? >> well, i'm in constant consultation with secretary geithner, with the white house, and meeting with congress, and the chairman of the house, meet with reed very off. there's a lot of conversations going on where i gave my views, and learn, and so there are more people involved. >> now this is really coming down to, as is no surprise, the issue of tax rates, will republicans agree to raising tax rates on the wealthy as president obama made clear. are you willing to go over the fiscal cliff if republicans do not agree that that? >> i think if there is no agreement whatsoever, the president has probably no choice but to say, okay, we're going to go over the cliff. that would no be my first preference. my first preference is that as we get closer to the cliff, that we find an agreement that makes some sense, so we don't have to go over it. if we don't go over,'re enteri
and those backroom negotiations continue at a furious pace. >> despite this bipartisan support for the deal, it's a deal nobody wants to take credit for. >> reporter: president obama today didn't praise the deal, only expressed relief. >> all eyes will be on the stock market tomorrow, after the s&p's announcement friday night of the unprecedented downgrade of america's credit rating. >> stocks plummeted overnight in asia, europe is following suit this morning, as fear dominates wall street. now the focus turns to the fed, and investors are hoping for some good news later today, after suffering the worst day in two years. >> credit rating agency basically said, we no longer have faith in you, the united states government, because we no longer believe your political system is capable of basic competence. the basic competence necessary to pay your bills. that republican-made, self-inflicted crisis and the resolution to it created this current man-made self-inflicted crisis that we're in right now. one we're lamely calling the fiscal cliff. the way republicans in congress and the president solv
that is ages. that is a very long time for them to negotiate and come up with a deal. >> and, jason, president obama is returning to a tactic that he's used in the past. he's taken the pitch on taxes directly to the american people in a trip to pennsylvania today. house speaker john boehner not so happy about it. let's listen for a minute -- >> listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. and this is a moment for adult leadership. campaign-style rallies and one-sided leaks in the press are not the way to get things done here in washington. >> well, republicans are reportedly planning their own fiscal cliff pr campaign designed to show that the democrats are simply digging in, they're being stubborn, election is over, shouldn't both sides be focused on doing the job they were elected to do. how do you see it? >> look, you're going to have a bunch of rallying on both sides and some of this is theatrics. it's christmastime. you know how you tell your kids you have to be really good or santa's not going to give you what you want but you know you will buy t
just a little too bold and certainly not like the obama of the last term. >> well, that's music to my ears because i think john boehner got the better of the president, frankly, speaker boehner, in the last negotiations that they had in 2011, and it suggests that the president, he does, he has the wind at his back. the piece that's sticking right now should be the easiest, which is locking in 98% of the bush tax cuts. this was something mary worked hard on, people like me opposed them, democrats hated those bush tax cuts. now the president is willing to enshrine 98% of those tax cuts and the republicans can't take yes for an answer because they are not really fighting for lower taxes. they're fighting for the upper 2% of income earners and that's a losing proposition. 70% of americans think those of us who are blessed and are upper income americans ought to pay a little bit more. >> so mary, why doesn't that make sense? shouldn't the winner come in as paul said with the wind at his back. he does have a mandate. >> he does not have a mandate. people did not vote to increase taxes. the
's hospitalization. so keep it right here on abc. >>> and amid tough negotiations to avoid going over the so-called fiscal cliff. president obama meets with bipartisan groups of governors about the problem today. the meeting a day after house speaker jonathan boehner laid a republican plan to solve the crisis on the table and calls for $800 billion in higher taxes revenue and does not increase taxes on wealthy americans. the white house is rejecting the offer, saying any deal must include an end to tax cuts for families making over $250,000. >>> and the senate has approved a new u.s. commander for the war in afghanistan. he's marine corporal general joseph doneford and replaces general john al llen, nominatedo head forces in europe. allen's nomination on hold because of his involvement in the sex scandal that brought down former cia director david petraeus. >>> in foreign news, new intelligence reports, indicate syria's government may be preparing to use chemical and biological weapons against the rebels. in response though, the u.s. and its allies are considering military options. here's ab
billions of dollars of cargo as longshoremen refused to cross picket lines. negotiations continue in washington on the so-called fiscal cliff. president obama plans to enter questions from business members. the group has been urging action to prevent huge automatic tax increases in january. those are some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. [video clip] >> we have not coordinated care. all these services have so many cracks that the cracks are as harmful as the diseases that we're treating. you have to step back and ask, are we hurting people overall? what are we doing? now we have the report saying 30% of everything we do not be necessary in health care. 30% of medications we subscribe, the test and procedures we order. this is something for the first time been called out as a problem. >> this function in the health- care industry. what hospitals will not tell you. urday night at 10:00 p.m. on c-span2. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we have been focusing on different aspects of the fiscal cliff. we want to look at capital gains tax and the estate tax. what is the e
republicans well in previous budget negotiations. but the no-taxes-ever-bulwark has not served the country well. and obama would be remiss not to try. go ahead, eugene. >> obama has talked about -- he phrased it as breaking the fever, i think, at one point. this sort of solid wall of adamanting opposition to any sort of tax rate increase ever in the house has been seen as a problem to him from day one. and coming off the election, he's in a stronger political position than he's been in before. his incentive is not to rush into the room, his strength is out among public opinion where that's friendlier terrain for him. whereas once they get in the room, of course, republicans still have power, still have control of the house. >> yeah. >> so there's no great incentive for him to rush to compromise at this point. >> gene, why is -- why is raising the top marginal rate so important to the president as well as liberals across america? why -- explain why the is that so important? >> well -- >> and i'm talking specifically the top marginal rate. not taxes on the rich. because the rich have been sk
not happening right now and negotiations so not happening that congress -- members of congress went home last night. president obama very much on the case, went out yesterday morning to meet with members of the business roundtable and he told members of the roundtable first of all that they -- there's absolutely part of the equation has to be raising rates on the top 2% of americans. without that there won't be any deal. president obama with the business roundtable. >> any formula that says we can't increase tax rates probably only yields about $300 to $400 billion realistically. that's well short of the amount of revenue that's needed for a balanced package. >> bill: just won't cut it. the president said. he also appeared yesterday morning on tom joyner's radio show. and said if you want a deal, if you want a compromise, there's only one way to get there and that's the one thing missing if republicans will agree that tax rates will not -- will not -- the tax cuts will not continue for the top 2%. he said we've got a dea
leaders in the house blaming president obama for the lack of action. they're calling on him to initiate face-to-face negotiations. did we say a deal has to be made in the next 25 days. house members are out of town for a long weekend break. fox business network's rich edson is live from washington. so are we seeing any movement in these talks at all, rich? >> some, jon. a house aide says president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke on the phone yesterday afternoon. that is their first conversation in a week and since republicans offered $800 billion in new tax revenue and more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts. aides refuse to say if the president and speaker are now closer to a deal. for both sides a little more campaigning. president obama heads to northern virginia this afternoon. the white house says he will meet with a middle class family to press congress to protect those making less than $250,000 a year from tax increases and raise rates on those making more. house republicans return to their congressional districts. they will meet with small business owners to und
talks, direct face-to-face negotiations between the israelis and palestinians will get off the ground? >> it's possible. we've discussed this many times, wolf. most of the time we've been talking about the latest impact. but president obama has been re-elected here in the u.s. i know he feels deeply about this issue. he regards peace between israelis and palestinians as a genuine strategic interest of the united states. and we're going to have i think a fresh opportunity to go back to this issue to try and grip it and frame it in the right way and we've got to try. i always say to people, we spent decades trying and failing in northern ireland and finally we got a process that worked. there isn't an alternative except to come back and try again. and that's what we've got to do. by the way, as the region is in turmoil, although in one sense it becomes harder for the parties to see their way through, it's more important that the israeli-palestinian issue is put in a place where there's hope and progress. because it could, especially with the other changes in the region, get mixed up in
and civic leaders and governors and others who have a stake in the process and outcome of these negotiations. but as secretary geithner aid over the weekend, i think president obama conveyed in his interview earlier today with bloomberg tv, he remains confident we can get this done. he remains optimistic that once republicans accept that there is no deal without an acknowledgment and acceptance that rates have to go up on he remains optimistic that once high end earners, we can find compromise here. that any to preview for resolve and takes a very important step toward thed
the phone conversation with obama was a little more terse. we went from being down 100 to up 100. we haven't had that kind of swing in over a year. we are laser focused on d.c. and those negotiations as usual. >> brian brings up 2.7 number, steve rattner. i guess you look at the numbers and you compare them to where we were at points in the '80s, the '90s, even 2004, 2005. it may not look good. compare that number to the rest of the world, suddenly the u.s. economy is looking pretty damn good by comparison to other countries. >> it actually feels like the economy is gathering steam. these kind of revisions help you feel that way. sandy is an aberration in the unemployment numbers as brian said. essentially we look at housing, consumer spending. the economy is on a pretty good track. the question is whether we go over the cliff at the end. >> joe, i just will say, there's kind of an underlying sense that if we get the right deal -- and i think all of us sort of know what that includes, that we are kind of spring-loaded for serious growth. the consumers have already spoken in terms of holida
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